tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27941559.post7518770033905566599..comments2024-03-13T18:03:14.612+01:00Comments on South Of Watford: Will Spain See A New Generation Of Emigrants?Graemehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05948656158638818739noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27941559.post-78507123967193486962011-01-26T09:23:00.438+01:002011-01-26T09:23:00.438+01:00The problem is that if Spain can't provide qua...The problem is that if Spain can't provide quality employment then people will look elsewhere. I don't think it's just about salaries. But none of the "reforms" being implemented at the moment are about providing better jobs - it's more the reverse. Which is why pensions are being cut too.Graemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948656158638818739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27941559.post-87738455402952631192011-01-25T21:51:01.040+01:002011-01-25T21:51:01.040+01:00How much do you think salary expectations enter in...How much do you think salary expectations enter into this? If it´s the usual race to the bottom Spanish emigrants will work for lower salaries than qualified Germans, but native South Americans will probably work for less than Spanish emigrants.<br /><br />But how does this affect the pensions debate? If the already shrinking pool of younger workers gets skimmed off to Germany, who´s left to pick up the tab?Cocohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01002346978289429622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27941559.post-88512979186065732112011-01-25T10:38:54.063+01:002011-01-25T10:38:54.063+01:00@Lavengro
Yes, but what I'm arguing is that i...@Lavengro<br /><br />Yes, but what I'm arguing is that it's not just about rich and poor, it's about opportunities to live the kind of life you're seeking. Given better career possibilities, most people in Spain would probably be happier to stay even if the salaries were lower than elsewhere. There's two sides to the story, many who have had the opportunity to migrate elsewhere choose not to take it.<br /><br />@Jeremy<br /><br />I don't know how much difference the existence of multinationals makes - Spain does have them as any South American will be able to tell you. I don't know enough about the internal culture of Telefónica or Endesa to say whether there is a difference there.Graemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948656158638818739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27941559.post-74371256472506353952011-01-25T06:34:57.598+01:002011-01-25T06:34:57.598+01:00@ Lavengro Actually it's very different than i...@ Lavengro Actually it's very different than internal migration. It's much harder to immigrate to a new country because of the language / cultural issues. Tougher to find a job if you don't speak the lingo. not to mention distance, lack of family support. that's why there's less mobility in Europe compared to the states.<br /><br />I think for the most part Graeme is correct. Although he left out the lack of Spanish mulitnationals in order to form a pact as they did in Germany. Of course even if there were some, it would require a government that didn't put corporate interests above the national ones like they do in the states.Jeremy Hollandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09935357906411304937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27941559.post-83064252640626907462011-01-24T21:17:21.274+01:002011-01-24T21:17:21.274+01:00If you get away from your nationalist point of vie...If you get away from your nationalist point of view of people emigrating from Spain to Germany, and see that people will always move from the poorer parts of an economic area to the richer ones, then the phenomenon seems perfectly normal and natural in European terms. It is no different from people moving from Extremadura or Galicia to Barcelona or Madrid.<br /><br />Of course, such movement must be handled properly and regions must be maintained from the centre in some way but that is a different matter.Lavengrohttp://lavengro.typepad.com/lavengro_in_spain/noreply@blogger.com